石井は見た！ニューレミゼラブルの真実⑦
2006.11.03 POSTED２００３年の時に「命を捨ててマリウスを守り弾を取りに行こうとするヴァルジャンを、敬意を持って行かせてくれ」という演出を、ジョンがアンジョルラスにつけた。マリウス時代にそんな空気でその場にいたことがなかったので、もの凄く驚いたことを今も覚えている。しかしこの演出こそがジョンの言いたいことなのかもしれないと、今回のニュー・レミゼラブルを見てついに感じ取った。
アンジョルラスの革命に対する情熱と信念は、日本人が思っている美意識や理想より頑なで鮮烈で現実的なのだ。ヴァルジャンが逃がさなかったら間違いなくアンジョルラスはジャヴェールを処刑していたからな。革命の重さそして命の儚さを、ジョンは美しい夢物語にしたくないのだ。現実の醜さと狂気を観客に投げつけたかったのだ。ガブローシュの即死にしてもそうだ。命の灯火が神に吹き消される瞬間は、時に音もなく前ぶれもなくやってくる。ジョンのリアリズムの追求は、残酷なほど生々しい。
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ありがとうございますm(_ _)m
しかと心に受け止めさせていただきました。
…苦しすぎますね…ストレート以上にリアルで深い…
いいお話聞けたのに誠に恐縮ですが
もし私がアンジョルラス役者だったら、そんな難しい芝居できないよぅ(-"-;）←またしても要らぬ心配
これでぐっすり寝られます。
勉強させていただきました！m(_ _)m
トム 2006.11.03 POSTED
理念のための殺戮
自由と平和と民主の実現という理念のために行われるている殺戮（現世の現実）が実は普遍なのかしら。
有史以来、人類が戦っている現実・・・
yaya URL 2006.11.03 POSTED
そんなに残酷？
＞「命を捨ててマリウスを守り弾を取りに行こうとするヴァルジャンを、敬意を持って行かせてくれ」という演出
学生側の目線で考える時・・・、アンジョルラスにとってマリウスは朋友なのだから理由を問わず絶対行かせたくない。 ヴァルジャンはある意味知り合ったばかりの男。この2人のどちらかを行かせなければならないとなれば・・・選択肢は語るまでもない。しかもリーダーとは言え、なんのかんの言ってもアンジョルラスはまだ若い。 すべての人の命は平等に尊いなどと考えられる度量が、極限状態であったのだろうか？ あの場で、見ず知らずの男が志願してきたなら、わたしがアンジョルラスでも、きっと石井さんがアンジョルラスでも、同じ結果になったのでは？ 私はジョンの演出が極めて日本人的な感覚に近いと思い、違和感ないです。
キューティ・ハニー 2006.11.03 POSTED
ふ～む…
現実の醜さと狂気ですか…。それなら、バリケードが陥落する時にもリアリティを持たせないと（スローモーションでなく、バタバタと倒れてゆくとかね）…なんとなく納得できない気がする。となると、舞台としてのドラマティカルな感動が減ってしまうけど…。
また今日も、どっぷり考えてしまいそうです(^_^;)
あ、余談ですが、これだけ「石井は見た！」がズラッと並ぶのを見ると「家政婦は見た！」シリーズが頭をよぎります(笑)。
saichang 2006.11.03 POSTED
一番上に立つ者は一番下で皆に仕える者
非常に納得できました。本当にその理念は素晴らしいと思います。と同時にそれを受け止めきれない客としての力不足、人生の経験不足を思い知り、なんてもったいない芝居の見方をしていたのか、と反省しました。
実を言うと、ガブローシュが撃たれても弾を取りに行くシーンは観る度に「いや～、銃が身近にない日本人ならではだな～。あんな撃たれて生きてる子供いないから。」と苦笑していたのでした。もちろん私も実弾を撃ったことはありませんが、運動会の火薬だけのピストルでさえ撃った側の衝撃はすごいですよね。受けた側が１５㌔あるかないかの子供なら吹っ飛ぶはずなんですよ。
さらにフランスのアンジョルラス以前の革命の際、同胞であった者達のほとんど、そして指導者でさえ、最終的にはギロチンの餌食になったことを考えるとその狂気、それの持つパワーの恐ろしさ（それは人間そのものの恐ろしさでもあると思います）を考えざるを得ません。アンジョルラスも方向性は多少違えど同じパワーを持った人間なのでしょう。人間のそういった面は常に英雄視されて、汚い面は蓋をされがちです。（現にユゴーは革命をフランスの誇りと書いている）でも蓋をしない為に革命後「何も変わりはしない」という歌を歌わせるのかな、とも思えて来ました。（あのシーンとLovery Ladyがすごく好きです）
あ～考えすぎて気持ち悪くなってきた…
FURI 2006.11.03 POSTED
深いですね～
『レ・ミゼラブル』はこの、ひとつのシーンだけでこんなにも様々なメッセージが含まれていて、奥の深いミュージカルですね。
演出する側、演じる側も受け止める側も多種多様になっていくので大変難しいと感じます。
とても勉強になりました！
そこで石井さんにお願い。
『石井一孝が熱く語るニューヨークツアーの真実Ｖｏｌ．１～レ・ミゼラブル編～』なんていう“トークイベント”を開催していただけませんか？(笑)
３時間ぐらいあっという間に過ぎて行きそうではないかしら？？？
chocolat 2006.11.03 POSTED
(-ー;)
> 「命を捨ててマリウスを守り弾を取りに行こうとするヴァルジャンを、敬意を持って行かせてくれ」という演出
「敬意を持って」はどこに掛かってくるのでしょうか？
「命を捨てて弾を取りに行こうとする事」？
それとも「マリウスを守り」の部分に掛かっていたりするなんて事もありえるのでしょうか？
バルジャンが「命を捨てて弾を取りに行こうとする事」へ「敬意を持って～」なのだとしたら、なぜマリウスが「命を捨てて弾を取りに行こうとする事」は「敬意を持って行かせてくれ」ずに「それは危険だ」ととめるのでしょうか？マリウスが自棄になっているから？行かせるのは危険？バルジャンは大人で腕も確かで冷静に判断していると感じるから、「敬意を持って行かせられる」のでしょうか？
それともそうではなくてアンジョルラスにとって身近な存在であるマリウス（や学生達）にはできるだけ命を落として欲しくないから？「志願」してきたバルジャンに行ってもらった方が…という判断なのでしょうか？
このシーン、アンジョルラスが何を思ってマリウスは引きとめ、バルジャンは「敬意を持って生かせよう」と判断するのか、私はまだ答えを感じられず悩みながら拝見している現状です。
kiki 2006.11.03 POSTED
続けて済みませぬ
>kikiさん
マリウスは結局貴族階級のおぼっちゃんというのもあるんじゃないですか？だからひよっているのが親友なら見えたんだと思うのですが。この革命の本当の意味が頭でしか理解できていない、しかも参加しないほうが彼の為かもしれない人間を巻き込みたくないアンジョルラスの冷徹な目と思いがあったんじゃないですかね。でもヴァルジャンは何者であるかも若い彼には見抜けなかったけれど「マリウスを守る」という非常に強い意志ははっきりしていて「民衆全員を守る為に革命を起こそう」としているアンジョルラスには信用に足り、なおかつ相容れる部分があったとか。その年齢にしては信じられない程の強い思いと目上の人間（お年寄り＝年上）であることに紳士として敬意を払ったんじゃないかなどと私は想像しますけれど。どうなんでしょうね。
FURI 2006.11.03 POSTED
う～ん（悩）
>FURIさん
でも原作（小説）とは違って、ミュージカル版ではマリウスは「私は戦おう！」と自分の意思＆判断で砦にいますよね？
ア・ベ・セーカフェで、ワンデイモアで、悩みぬいた末にそれでも決断し、立ち上がったマリウスの方に共感する私には、砦の中のあの場において今更「参加しないほうが彼の為かもしれない」なんて考え出したのなら、侮辱された気分になるのです。
砦で「死」にリアルに直面しているのはマリウスでじゃないでしょうか？それでも戦う為に立ち上がる彼。しかも「弾を取りに行く」と話すあの場面では砦に残った者たちは皆死を覚悟してプライドを持ってそこに存在していると思うのに、この期に及んで「危険だから行かせない」と発言するこのアンジョルラスの発言がどうしても納得できないのです。
…だめだ、原作ももう一度読み返してみよう（苦笑）
kiki 2006.11.03 POSTED
↑なるほど。では・・・
>砦で「死」にリアルに直面しているのはマリウスでじゃないでしょうか
それはエポニーヌが死んだからですよね。多分マリウスにとっては初めての身近で残酷な死だったのだと思います。しかしアンジョルラスにとってはそうではない。日々飢餓や病気で貧しいが為に死んでいく人、捨てられた子供を意識して目の当たりにしていたんだと思う。だから、あそこである意味冷静に「彼女の死を無駄にするな！」と煽動することが出来る訳です。革命者というのは現代を見てもレーニンも毛沢東もかなり孤高で冷酷です。で、本当はソルジャーには考える人は必要ないんです。かえって周りに動揺を与える可能性があるので危険です。しかしマリウスを仲間としては認めてくれた所がアンジョルラスの友情だと思います。でもどこか子供をひとり預かっている感覚だったのかも。どこかマリウスは浮いてると感じた事はありませんか？
あ～つい書いちゃいました。ここでやることではありませんね。皆様失礼致しました。肩凝った。
FURI 2006.11.03 POSTED
>chocolatさん
きっとそれは公開収録みたいに寝袋持参、２週間着たきりすずめ、ナイアガラの汗という凄まじい事態になりますよ・・・。（^-^;)
FURI 2006.11.03 POSTED
↑o(><;)(;><)o
FURIさん
確かに…きっとそうなると思います。
石井さんが熱く語る姿を妄想しすぎたのと、レミゼニューバージョンを妄想しすぎでちょっと“崩壊モード”な、私…^^;
chocolat 2006.11.03 POSTED
バリケードの学生の描き方
常々学生たち、特にアンジョルラスがウエットに描かれ過ぎていると思っていたもので、石井さんのご覧になった残酷なほどに生々しいジョンのリアリズムの舞台とはどんなものであったのかとても気になります。
今後日本でもその方向になるのでしょうか。それともお国柄に合わせた演出になるのでしょうか。
今まで観て来た流れでは、アンジョルラスにはとてもジャベールは殺せないように見えました。
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